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Taius Pax	Posted - 2008.11.12 00:24:00 - [1] I picked up Blockade lvl 4, and I've been shooting non stop for 30 minutes and I'm barely through the first spawn. 7X CN Launchers with 3X CN BCU. What kind of bull**** is this?
Taius Pax	Posted - 2008.11.12 00:34:00 - [2] Edited by: Taius Pax on 12/11/2008 00:34:45 Originally by: Nadarius Chrome you're running a mission? On patch day? Are you insane?!? Apparently... Even against BSes cruise missiles appear less effective. I really hope this is a bug. If this is working as intended and the future direction of Eve is several hour long missions, I think EVE's subscriber base is going to shrink... @Dirk: Even if PvP is all you do, you have to realize even those shiny things you get off those player controlled ships you blew up also came from... missions. But I won't derail my own post with PvP vs Carebear. Back on topic: What's up with missiles? edit: spelling.
Taius Pax	Posted - 2008.11.12 00:38:00 - [3] Originally by: Oktacon Have you not been following the multitude of threads explaining the missiles changes on this board, or been on the test server at all? Or even the Game Development Forum where there are always discussions on game changes? I remember the part about making them somewhat effective against tiny fast ships (i.e. speed tanking would never reduce the damage to zero). I don't remember the part about making them significantly less effective against slow moving NPC battleships and slow NPC moving cruisers...
Taius Pax	Posted - 2008.11.12 01:06:00 - [4] Originally by: Terror Rising Ah it is only now that the vast majority of the EVE community (mission runners or 0.0 mains with mission runner alts for cash) are going to realise what impact this will have on the economy .. I am looking forward to this ... Missions after the patch are truly the most boring thing I've ever done in Eve and I've spent days mining / probing. Going on an hour and 20 minutes on this mission... It feels like a chore. If this is really what the developers intended it's definitely going to impact the economy, at least as far as their monthly income is concerned.
Taius Pax	Posted - 2008.11.12 03:33:00 - [5] Originally by: Megan Maynard Originally by: Lone Hitman The only problem is that it's still taking 3 times as long to do a mission no matter what solution you offer. Then clearly you aren't using a solution at all since I know for a fact the missions don't take any longer. Empirical evidence disagrees with your "facts." I did a check of my logs and against identical BS target shields (one example) damage has gone from 298 to 224. That's nearly 25% decrease and that's on a BS. I've checked quite a few and it's more or less in the range of 20-30% decrease on all of them. Cruisers and Frigs are far worse.
Taius Pax	Posted - 2008.11.12 04:25:00 - [6] Edited by: Taius Pax on 12/11/2008 04:25:54 Originally by: Pedro Snachez I fly a Kronos with pretty much maxed out gunnery and I needed to fit 2 Shadow Serp tracking comps and a domination web to be able to hit cruisers and frigs orbiting me. Let me just say that the whines about your max-dps Ravens/Golems having issues killing smaller ships warms me inside. Welcome to how the rest of the mission-running world does things. And by does things, I mean "uses their brains". 1. Use drones. 2. Use Target painters. 3. Go a little lighter on the unnecessary perma-run booster setups. 4. Profit. Sorry you can't do missions on braindead afk mode anymore. 1. Use drones. Check! 2. Use Target painters. OH CRAP, RAVENS SHIELD TANK AND KIND OF NEED THAT MID SLOT 3. Go a little lighter on the unnecessary perma-run booster setups. - OK Pedro, you just lost your cred. It's nearly impossible to perma tank an active shield set up and have it do any kind of damage. I've never known anyone who uses a perma tank Raven to mission.
Taius Pax	Posted - 2008.11.12 14:25:00 - [7] Edited by: Taius Pax on 12/11/2008 14:26:46 Originally by: Raguun Is this trait or some Role playing of Caldari ship pilots? Whine all the time? Now you face same problems as all other BS users had to face for years. I really just don't understand this attitude. Is everyone here some sadomasochist? Must everything in this game be such a boring chore that only the most "hardcore" (this is a sarcastic insult) have enough perseverance to suffer through it? Really? You're pleased we get to suffer? How about instead getting up and demanding CCP fix a broken game so it's fun instead?
Taius Pax	Posted - 2008.11.12 14:33:00 - [8] Originally by: Obsidian Dagger Ahem. The entire thread is TL:DR, but I caught the first couple of pages, and have this thought on matters. (Have yet to test it out, but bear with me) The bog-standard raven has six Missile slots, four turret slots. (Raven is an ugly POS, but it was effective, so i used it) Now, AFAIK most missionrunners have the habit of slapping a tractor/salvager in those last two slots... Fair enough. I've always stuck rails in there since a passive tank uses no cap, and I thought it was a bit of a waste being 100% cap stable. (Am using 350mm rails the now, was training AWU so i could use 425's, but no more). Instead, I am going to plop a couple medium or small blasters in there, and actually hit frigs. Because thats what you are supposed to use on frigs I thought? previously i never wasted time shooting frigs, Drones did the bulk of the close in work, and i only bothered wasting missiles on the small crap once the BS's were dead. So. Why the whining? A minor adjustment to the useless slots on my raven, and boom, effective raven again. Slapping two medium blasters on the Raven won't reduce the ~140-170 missiles it now takes (using a reasonably pimped raven with very good skills) to take out a BS.
Taius Pax	Posted - 2008.11.12 14:42:00 - [9] Originally by: Glassback Ive just run a mission using the same CNR Cruise setup and it's no different. Run a cargo mission?
Taius Pax	Posted - 2008.11.12 15:41:00 - [10] Originally by: Lance Dragmire I don't understand the whining. I saw the numbers that had changed for the cruise missiles and was worried. My explosion velocity and radius were both nerfed, and I was worried that I wouldn't be able to do ** against mission rats. Then I actually logged on and TRIED it... and I was surprisingly still able to run missions just as quickly as I did before in my Raven. Now... I'm not running these missions using crappy skills at level 1 for the raven. Most are at level 4 for the missile and missile support skills. This no doubt helps. Also, I field a flight of mediums AND a flight of light drones for dealing with frigates. The only major change I noticed is my medium drones have a lot more trouble hitting frigates. Ok fine, that's what lights are for. The other change I noticed is I cannot one-volley destroyers anymore. Ok, fair enough, it was fun while it lasted, but I can take them out with 2 volleys or have my drones them. Frigs are a pain to kill with missiles now. Oh no? They're hard to kill with guns too... light drones ftw. Cruisers take me maybe 1, maybe 2 more volleys than normal to kill. No biggy, just more missiles I have to use. Certainly not the "doom and gloom" everyone is spewing. Battleships? No change. I them the same as I did before. Don't know what everyone is complaining about tbh. I even tried it with my room-mates torp raven and the damage #s seemed about the same (a little nerfed for cruisers and below but still viable). Bull**. Cruisers take nearly twice the missiles as before, and light drones cannot effectively kill them. (Certainly not in Blockade or Assault). Light drones will take out frigs just fine as before. My post is based on actual usage on QR Tranquility. My missile skills are all IV or V. Caldari BS V. There is definitely an average 20-30% damage reduction against mission BS.

Taius Pax	Posted - 2008.11.12 15:42:00 - [11] Originally by: HankMurphy I'm not saying 'its not so bad of a nerf', 'i can accept the compromise of the changes', 'i will adapt' i'm saying "I DONT EVEN NOTICE A DIFFERENCE" Then you were a pretty poor Raven pilot and you were slow in the first place...
Taius Pax	Posted - 2008.11.12 15:45:00 - [12] Originally by: HankMurphy Did another, dropped my AB i fit for convenience and fit a painter just for the hell of it and even faster. Unless they did a rollback (lol), i think ppl should complain less and try patch first. Sorry, I missed this before. You are definitely not a good Raven pilot (or one at all) if you stuck an AB on it for missions in the first place. You need all the mids for the shield tank.
Taius Pax	Posted - 2008.11.13 14:55:00 - [13] Originally by: Crackzilla Originally by: Thuia Today i was unable to make a lvl 4 mission with my friend... 2 days ago i have no problem to do it alone... The game should be funny... if nothing changes it will be not funny for me... Yet, isn't it more entertaining when something is difficult? This isn't a nerf...this is a boost to fun! No it's just longer and boring... It's like pushing a car with a dead battery up a hill, is it more fun with a steeper hill?

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